Prop 8 Afterward

Monday, November 17, 2008

Prop 8 Afterward

Updated 11/17/2008 - 6:44 pm

California's bitterly contested1 Proposition 8, "Eliminates Rights of Same-Sex Couples to Marry..." née "The California Marriage Protec­tion Act," is, in the wake of its recent passage, 52.2%-47.8%, still being fought.

The operative part of "Prop 8" is abstracted:

"Only marriage between a man and a wom­an is valid or recognized in California."

Even though a May 2008 California Supreme Court by a four-to-three decision had deemed same-sex marriage "a fundamental right," that a social policy ballot initiative such as Prop 8 would carry in one of the most liberal states in the country, is astonishing.

California's ten largest newspapers editorializ­ed against passage of the proposition, and all but the first opinion polls dating to late May, showed negative support for the initiative.

(How wrong were the voter surveys2? The election results completely reversed the last three polls.)

So how did it come to pass by over 700,000 votes?

Beats the bejabbers outta me... I wasn't there and I really don't care. I take no position on same-sex marriages since it doesn't affect me.

And since that temporary aberration in New Paltz four years ago, it's not an issue in New York even though our Governor-by-dint-of-Eliot-Spitzer's-moral-turpitude, David Pater­son, has directed recognition same-sex mar­riages performed elsewhere.

(But then this is the same man who pro­claimed that "an eruv is a Civil Right3!")

Neither does the contentious issue of women's reproductive rights... it's none of my business.

(And that damned eruv didn't start out as my business either. Then Irene Barrett et al and Rabbi Marc Schneier turned it into global news and Westhampton Beach in­to a battlefield, and now it's everyone's business!)

My sole interest in the Prop 8 issue is the af­termath in California.

The voters spoke... vox populi by Gawd and Earl Warren... and it wasn't all that close.

But then, Republican rino Governor Ah-nauld Schwarzenegger4 started sending "Don't give up now!" messages to the anti-Prop 8 activists and comedienne Wanda Sykes appeared at a gay rights rally in Las Vegas on Saturday and declared:

"Now, I gotta get in their face..."

...speaking about the supporters of Prop 8.

My question is simple... when does the vox populi count for something?

  1. In excess of $73 million was expended by the factions supporting Prop 8 and those working to defeat Prop 8.
  2. One supposition is that some of the surveys were "cooked" (push polls) to engineer num­bers that could be published to shape public opinion.
  3. It isn't, the opinions of the Governor and Robert Sugarman, Esq. to the contrary.
  4. The Governator seems to have modified his enthusiasm for such activism of late, telling ABC's George Stephanopoulos that he will not join in a court fight against Prop 8 des­pite his opposition to the same-sex marriage ban.


1. Jeanne Speir said...

Like Sarah Palin, I have friends who are gay. Some of their unions have had more staying power than many hetero liasons. IF the majority of folks can't get behind the "M" word, can at least domestic partners of the same gender share health insurance, health proxy rights and the few economic perks of cohabitation? Do they already have them in California? If so, that seems the best compromise of an emotional topic, in a time of changing "realities." Tolerance: a good character trait to develop on the shrinking marble, no?

2. Paramarine said...

The debate about whether or not same sex marriage should be legal misses the mark. A more appropriate question would ask about the role of government and why it needs to regulate marriage at all.

We concur... but my main issue, which you may have missed and which my dear wife certainly did, is the people have spoken, not just earlier this month with Prop 8, but in 2000 with Proposition 22 by which the voters determined, 61.4% to 38.6%, that "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." (This was the statute which the California Supreme Court over-turned last Spring, thereby leading to the Proposition 8 initiative.)

And just as the local Rabbi and the eruvians like to paint those who oppose them as bigots and anti-Semites, the same-sex marriage advocates' label for the ones who oppose their position is "haters" and homophobes.

No one has explained to me why "domentic partnerships" is that poor an option to same-sex couples.

3. Tugboat Bertha said...

Would someone who knows please answer Dean's question as to why "domestic partnerships" are a poor option for same-sex couples? It might be argued that "domestic partnerships" are superior to marriage in that when the relationship dissolves no divorce is required. Has anyone got any words of wisdom to say about that?

4. BettyBoo said...

I share the same curiosity regarding that question. "Domestic partnerships" can be set up to mirror all the benefits of marriage. Unless you want to be snarky and insist that they have to go through divorce like the rest of us...

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