Updated 10/02/2010 – 10:41 am
The enormity of this afternoon's headline on 27East.com...
...has yet to sink in with all the well-wishers making congratulatory comments.
Oscar Wilde knew what the Shinnecock Indian Nation has yet to learn: one of the great tragedies in life is getting what one wants.
And the Shinnecocks have never made any secret of what they want to do now that they have achieved official recognition status: open a casino, perhaps as many as three casinos, on Long Island.
There's a strong possibility that one of those casinos will be at Gabreski Airport... just what the Village of Westhampton Beach or Town of Southampton doesn't need!
Everyone is wringing their hands about the renewed "threat" of an eruv being established in the area because they fear the Western Hamptons will go they way of the Five Towns area in Nassau County.
I wonder how many have weighted the reality of the proposed eruv against the reality of a casino at Gabreski?
I'm not in favor of either, but I'd man to the barricades against the casino before the other, so dangerous to our Village would be gaming just outside the municipal limits.
Perhaps they will have to raze the building occupied by Holy Moses Cheesecake, to build the Casino!
Dean, I have supported the Gabreski option since it began. With proper planning, such an enterprise could have a very positive impact for the East End. Atlantic City was a sewer before the massive reinvestment of the gaming industry and there was no industry whatsoever in the communities around Foxwoods/Mohegan Sun. The Shinnecocks are going to build a casino. As an East End tribe, we should be examining opportunities to partner with them for a first class facility that benefits the East End, not export more $$ to either Nassau County or the five Western Towns. I know I am going to get pounded by some for this point of view, but then again, I got berated often over support of the traffic "oval" too.
There's the old gag about the gal who hypothetically agrees to go to bed with a guy for one million dollars, but balks at doing it for two dollars. "What you you think I am?" she asks indignantly. "We've already established that," he tells her. "Now we're just dickering about price."
I don't think partnering with the gaming entrepreneurs is an answer, #1, and, #2, why would the Shinnecocks want to hook up with us now?
Atlantic City was a mass of urban blight before the casinos in 1978 (originally they insisted on jacket and tie to access the gaming floor... that went by the wayside FAST). The casinos promised urban renewal and it never happened. So in Atlantic City's case it neither caused the mess nor cured it.
BTW, I was actually there the Memorial weekend that Resorts opened... ahh, what could have been! No matter to me, I don't gamble.
I can understand differing but I fully hold that I don't get the economics. Baseball stadiums to me are a parallel. The argument that by building a stadium it was good for whatever city stuck it to the taxpayers. All post economic analysis says the assumptions were myths (logic would hold for me that it's hard to make a billion dollars back with 81 home dates... but I'd like to be proven wrong).
So what is the math of a casino. Some Atlantic City casinos pull in 300mm per month (yes, that is millions and, yes, that is a light number). Granted there are fixed costs but it's not quite the MTA is it? So what are the expenses to make 300mm per month?
Suggest that you join a Business and Finance Usenet newsgroup devoted to such pursuits.
$300mm per month is taken in(bet) - about 80% or more of that is paid back out in pay-offs.
11. Hunt Marckwald said...
The comparison to Atlantic City is totally without merit. The city was a dump when the casinos moved in and afterwards it became a high-priced dump with huge crime. Our area is NOT a dump, we don't require economic assistance and, in my view, the establishment of a casino at Gabreski would only benefit hookers and drug dealers.
Some random thoughts...
- From what I've read about Native American gaming establishments, particularly those in the western U.S., they're never of equal benefit to ALL of the members of any tribal community, just those in so-called leadership positions (just like the white man).
- How about creating something more positive with the Federal recognition - wind or solar farms for example. (i.e., "SPA" - Shinnecock Power Authority)
- Eastern Long Islanders (regardless of skin color or origin) do NOT need more service industry jobs.
- We don't need or want to see any more traffic directed out here.
- On your last comment, Dean, I always wondered who leaked to Commerce (now TD Bank) and the other financial entities about what was being planned for Gabreski - maybe a certain ex-Trustee who worked for the County Legislature and who tried so hard to run s--t uphill from the Village's Main Street to Gabreski for the benefit of the Village merchants and to the detriment of the residents who'd have been stuck with the bill
Retailers might disagree with you about "more traffic."
And I'm not so sure Tim Laube's ideas about hooking up the downtown area to a sewerage treatment plant was all that bad an idea. Gawd forbid that we have some more restaurants on Main Street and fewer real estate offices!
The fear was that the Coast Guard site was going to be used to house the handful of Town sex offenders that will be moved out of the trailers currently in Westhampton and Riverside. The Press fueled this a bit by reporting the site selection was "secret" until implemented. We wrote both him and the head of the not-for-profit administering the plan, someone who I know from past issues at Hampton West. We were assured by him we were not the site. (Schneiderman to date has not responded.)
The improvements to Gabreski are welcomed but we have a very wary eye cast on the development proposed at the airport.
Schneiderman's a weenie!